Cg Benge Serial Numbers
Posted : admin On 27.01.2020Almost everything that I know about the history of this trumpet I was told was told by Irving Bush, so I asked him to write it down for me. I highly recommend that owners of old instruments do their best to document them. As each generation passes, the accuracy of the stories connected with artifacts become less sure unless we carefully document them. I believe that this is important even with objects that have much less historical significance than this case.Irving Bush was a highly regarded professional trumpet player, playing with many top big bands during the 1950s and joined the Los Angeles Philharmonic in 1962. He had been a friend and colleague of Elden Benge from the time that Benge moved to Southern California.I've included a scan of Irv's story of this trumpet on his personal stationary below, but here is what it says: September 17, 2003 To whom it may concern: The French Besson Bb trumpet, serial number 85419 is the instrument played by Elden Benge, the first trumpet with the Chicago Symphony under the direction of Frederick Stock. The instrument was disassembled in Mr Benge's trumpet studio in Chicago, Illinois.
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Benge's death in 1960 in Burbank, California, the trumpet company was inherited by Donald and Ronald Benge and subsequently sold to the H.N. White (King) of Cleveland, Ohio. Prior to the sale, Mr. Lou Duda, the foreman of the Benge factory and outstanding trumpet craftsman, painstakingly reassembled the trumpet and presented it to Irving Bush. Most modern trumpets were originally copied from the French Besson and were manufactured from about 1885. Sincerely,Irving R. BushThis trumpet has been so heavily polished that the bell stamp needed to be engraved over to make it more legible, making it look almost as if it is a counterfeit.
Close examination does show that the original stamped lettering is there. I have no way of knowing if the heavy polishing was done at the Benge shop in 1970 or previous to Mr. Benge dismantling it 30 years before.I can see that some of the parts are not original, but not all are obvious. The braces between the bell and mouthpipe and first slide hook are definitely Benge parts. The tuning slide crook might be a replacement.
The mouthpipe is an interesting case. It has a seam as seen in all original early Besson trumpets, but the same is true of Benge mouthpipes made in Chicago. Either way the mouthpipe has important history. There is at least one other Besson trumpet in existence that had belonged to Mr. We don't know how many trumpets he may have owned before making his own.The serial number indicates that this trumpet was made before 1924. It is 19 1/2' long (18 7/8' from bell rim to bell curve) without mouthpiece, the bell diameter is 4 9/16' and the bore measures approximately.461'.
Goto page 1,-::AuthorMessageslantwsRegular MemberJoined: 15 Dec 2010Posts: 38Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 7:32 pm Post subject: Claude Gordon SelmerThis might belong in the horn section, but I thought I'd ask here first. I recently obtained a Claude Gordon Selmer #000353. Can someone approximately date the horn? Photos atThanks.1941 Martin HC Committee1947 Besson Meha1947 Buescher 2051952 Getzen Super Deluxe1970s CG Benge1980s CG Selmer (2)2013 Schilke Handcraft HC2EBjazzHeavyweight MemberJoined: 14 Nov 2001Posts: 2311Location: SF Bay AreaPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 1:06 pm Post subject:Probably around 1982 with that low of a number.EbEric BolvinJohn MohanHeavyweight MemberJoined: 13 Nov 2001Posts: 9624Location: Chicago, IllinoisPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 10:03 am Post subject:Nice find!I saw the pictures of your CG Benge as well.
Are you sure it's a 1973 horn? Indigo rose autoplay media studio v8.0.7.0 retail-fosi windows 10. What is its serial number?
I ask because I'm not sure myself what year the CG Benge became available and I'm trying to find out.Best wishes,John MohanTrumpet Player, Clinician & Teacher1st Trpt for Cats, Phantom of the Opera, West Side Story, Evita, Hunchback of Notre Dame,Grease, The Producers, Addams Family, Color Purple, In the Heights, etc.Ex LA Studio Musician16 Year Claude Gordon StudentslantwsRegular MemberJoined: 15 Dec 2010Posts: 38Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 7:15 am Post subject:John Mohan wrote:Nice find!I saw the pictures of your CG Benge as well. Are you sure it's a 1973 horn? What is its serial number? I ask because I'm not sure myself what year the CG Benge became available and I'm trying to find out.Best wishes,John MohanJohn, As I told you in a PM, I bought the CG Benge from the original owner who said it was a 1973.
However, I am doubting that is the case. The Dallas Music Benge page mentions the CG Benge first appearing in 1976. But, the list under 10,000 at shows two 'CG' horns as 1972s. Also, in the Benge serial number list at indicates the year for my horn would be about 1980-or so.Regards, Jerry1941 Martin HC Committee1947 Besson Meha1947 Buescher 2051952 Getzen Super Deluxe1970s CG Benge1980s CG Selmer (2)2013 Schilke Handcraft HC2cybershakeHeavyweight MemberJoined: 16 Jan 2006Posts: 723Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 8:16 pm Post subject:estimated date of production for #910?just picked this one up in december 2011 in cincinnati, ohio.
Absolutely great playing horn. The bell shows evidence of damage in multiple areas, especially just above the crook (in picture below, i'm talking about the bell near the support brace behind the valves), but it plays so well that i don't think i'll replace it or see if someone can smooth it out. I guess that is the risk of such a lightweight horn.BlaineAdams A4 LT-SMarcinkiewicz Rembrandt Four-XMarcinkiewicz Rembrandt Rick Braun Model Four-XRomeo Adaci ReferenzLast edited by cybershake on Sun May 20, 2012 12:39 pm; edited 1 time in totalJohn MohanHeavyweight MemberJoined: 13 Nov 2001Posts: 9624Location: Chicago, IllinoisPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 10:30 pm Post subject:Beautiful! Mixed feelings about those valve caps - were the original 'wafer-thin' ones included in the sale? Either way, that's a very small gripe.
You did great. By the way, my first CG Selmer is serial number 000927 if I remember correctly (too lazy to go to the closet and check).
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That makes them close cousins, if not outright siblings.cybershakeHeavyweight MemberJoined: 16 Jan 2006Posts: 723Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 11:14 am Post subject:John Mohan wrote:Beautiful! Mixed feelings about those valve caps - were the original 'wafer-thin' ones included in the sale?Yes, I have the 'wafers'.